Summary
When a user write creates a child implicitly — updateChildren() at the
child path, or setValue() below it — under a location observed only by
filtered queries (e.g. orderByKey().startAt(...)), no local child_added
is ever raised. The write is persisted, syncs to the server normally, and
listeners eventually receive it as server echo — so while online the loss
is invisible (~50 ms latency instead of ~1 ms), and offline the app appears
frozen despite writing correctly.
setValue() at the child raises normally in the identical state. And the
behavior flips if an unfiltered (loadsAllData) listener has ever completed a
sync at the location this session — or is seeded complete from persisted
tracked-query records of a previous session — making the observable local
semantics of an identical write depend on invisible cache lineage.
The same logic exists verbatim in firebase-js-sdk, and we reproduced the
behavior empirically on the iOS SDK (macOS) as well — it appears inherited
from the common ancestral implementation.
Root cause (line-anchored, main branch)
ViewProcessor.applyUserOverwrite (firebase-database
core/view/ViewProcessor.java):
- For
changePath deeper than one level (childChangePath non-empty — the
implicit-creation case), the new child must be synthesized:
Node childNode = source.getCompleteChild(childKey) (~line 377).
WriteTreeCompleteChildSource.getCompleteChild (~704–721) can only
succeed via (a) the event cache containing the child — never true for a
new key on a filtered view, since CacheNode.isCompleteForChild is
(fullyInitialized && !filtered) || hasChild(key); (b) the
optCompleteServerCache argument; or (c)
WriteTree.calcCompleteChild (~336–349) passing the same
isCompleteForChild test against the filtered server cache — also false
for a new key.
optCompleteServerCache comes from
SyncTree.applyOperationHelper (~1044) →
SyncPoint.getCompleteServerCache(emptyPath) →
View.getCompleteServerCache (~99–110), which with an empty path returns
non-null only for a query.loadsAllData() view with a fully
initialized server cache. A location with only bounded listeners can never
supply it.
- With
getCompleteChild == null: newChild = EmptyNode.Empty() (~389,
comment "There is no complete child node available"), then
!oldChild.equals(newChild) (~392) compares Empty to Empty for the
brand-new key → treated as no change → newViewCache = oldViewCache
(~405). No event, no warning, nothing.
setValue() at the child takes the childChangePath.isEmpty() branch
(~373–375, newChild = changedSnap) and never consults the gate — which is
why it works.
firebase-js-sdk ViewProcessor.ts (viewProcessorApplyUserOverwrite)
contains the identical structure: getCompleteChild null →
ChildrenNode.EMPTY_NODE → equals skip.
Why this is a bug and not acceptable conservatism
- Silent contract violation. The documented behavior — local writes fire
events on local listeners immediately, before server acknowledgment — is
violated with no error, no log, no documented carve-out.
- Semantics depend on invisible cache lineage. The same write at the
same location raises or doesn't depending on whether some other listener
(loadsAllData) ever completed a sync there this session, or left a
persisted tracked-query completeness record in a previous session. No
application developer can reason about this from the API surface. No
specification would choose "same write, same listener, different result
depending on how the cache got here."
- The conservatism is provably unnecessary for key-indexed queries. For
orderByKey ranges, window membership is decidable from the key alone —
no old value is needed to know a child_added is due. Applying the merge
over EmptyNode for a key the filter accepts (or at minimum for
key-indexed filters) would be correct where the current code is silent.
(For value-indexed windows the old value genuinely matters, and a
conservative path is defensible — but it should not be silent.)
Reproduction (no network manipulation needed)
Persistence enabled. Fresh app data (important: no persisted loadsAllData
completeness records for the path).
- Attach
ref(L).orderByKey().startAt("x") with a ChildEventListener;
never attach an unfiltered listener at L in the app's lifetime.
- Let the initial sync complete (online).
goOffline() (offline only makes the loss observable; the local event
is equally absent online, masked by server echo).
ref(L).child("x_new").updateChildren({"v": 1}).
- Expected: local
child_added for x_new. Actual: nothing until
reconnect (server echo).
- Controls, same state:
ref(L).child("x_new2").setValue(1) → fires;
attaching an unfiltered listener at L, letting it sync, then repeating
step 4 → fires (the cache-lineage flip).
Evidence from our app (verbose native logging)
Deaf (bounded-only location):
RepoOperation: update: /teams/.../events/2026-08/1788115390730_A3..._0
DataOperation: update: ... {us=222}
Persistence: Persisted user merge in 1ms
Persistence: Transaction completed. Elapsed: 3ms
(no "Updated tracked query keys", no EventRaiser output)
Identical state, setValue at the child:
Persistence: Persisted user merge in 0ms
Persistence: Updated tracked query keys (1 added, 0 removed) for tracked query id 4256
EventRaiser: Raising 1 event(s)
EventRaiser: Raising /teams/.../events/2026-08: CHILD_ADDED: { 1788121988664_FF..._0: 1 }
Environment / impact
- flutterfire firebase_database 12.4.1 and 12.0.4 (pre/post Pigeon —
identical; native SDK behavior), Android 14/15; reproduced on macOS via the
iOS SDK.
- Impact: our offline-first sports-timing console wrote every live event with
updateChildren under bounded orderByKey listeners; during venue Wi-Fi
outages (events still arriving over BLE) the operator display froze
entirely while data was written and synced correctly — discovered only
after a two-month-old release because server echo masks the loss whenever
online.
- Workaround we shipped:
setValue() at the child. Also effective:
maintaining any loadsAllData listener at the location (with its cost).
Ask
Either raise the event when the filter can decide membership without the old
value (key-indexed case at minimum), or fail loudly / document prominently
that updateChildren under exclusively-filtered listeners does not raise
local events.
Summary
When a user write creates a child implicitly —
updateChildren()at thechild path, or
setValue()below it — under a location observed only byfiltered queries (e.g.
orderByKey().startAt(...)), no localchild_addedis ever raised. The write is persisted, syncs to the server normally, and
listeners eventually receive it as server echo — so while online the loss
is invisible (~50 ms latency instead of ~1 ms), and offline the app appears
frozen despite writing correctly.
setValue()at the child raises normally in the identical state. And thebehavior flips if an unfiltered (
loadsAllData) listener has ever completed async at the location this session — or is seeded complete from persisted
tracked-query records of a previous session — making the observable local
semantics of an identical write depend on invisible cache lineage.
The same logic exists verbatim in firebase-js-sdk, and we reproduced the
behavior empirically on the iOS SDK (macOS) as well — it appears inherited
from the common ancestral implementation.
Root cause (line-anchored,
mainbranch)ViewProcessor.applyUserOverwrite(firebase-databasecore/view/ViewProcessor.java):changePathdeeper than one level (childChangePathnon-empty — theimplicit-creation case), the new child must be synthesized:
Node childNode = source.getCompleteChild(childKey)(~line 377).WriteTreeCompleteChildSource.getCompleteChild(~704–721) can onlysucceed via (a) the event cache containing the child — never true for a
new key on a filtered view, since
CacheNode.isCompleteForChildis(fullyInitialized && !filtered) || hasChild(key); (b) theoptCompleteServerCacheargument; or (c)WriteTree.calcCompleteChild(~336–349) passing the sameisCompleteForChildtest against the filtered server cache — also falsefor a new key.
optCompleteServerCachecomes fromSyncTree.applyOperationHelper(~1044) →SyncPoint.getCompleteServerCache(emptyPath)→View.getCompleteServerCache(~99–110), which with an empty path returnsnon-null only for a
query.loadsAllData()view with a fullyinitialized server cache. A location with only bounded listeners can never
supply it.
getCompleteChild == null:newChild = EmptyNode.Empty()(~389,comment "There is no complete child node available"), then
!oldChild.equals(newChild)(~392) compares Empty to Empty for thebrand-new key → treated as no change →
newViewCache = oldViewCache(~405). No event, no warning, nothing.
setValue()at the child takes thechildChangePath.isEmpty()branch(~373–375,
newChild = changedSnap) and never consults the gate — which iswhy it works.
firebase-js-sdk
ViewProcessor.ts(viewProcessorApplyUserOverwrite)contains the identical structure:
getCompleteChildnull →ChildrenNode.EMPTY_NODE→equalsskip.Why this is a bug and not acceptable conservatism
events on local listeners immediately, before server acknowledgment — is
violated with no error, no log, no documented carve-out.
same location raises or doesn't depending on whether some other listener
(
loadsAllData) ever completed a sync there this session, or left apersisted tracked-query completeness record in a previous session. No
application developer can reason about this from the API surface. No
specification would choose "same write, same listener, different result
depending on how the cache got here."
orderByKeyranges, window membership is decidable from the key alone —no old value is needed to know a
child_addedis due. Applying the mergeover
EmptyNodefor a key the filter accepts (or at minimum forkey-indexed filters) would be correct where the current code is silent.
(For value-indexed windows the old value genuinely matters, and a
conservative path is defensible — but it should not be silent.)
Reproduction (no network manipulation needed)
Persistence enabled. Fresh app data (important: no persisted
loadsAllDatacompleteness records for the path).
ref(L).orderByKey().startAt("x")with aChildEventListener;never attach an unfiltered listener at
Lin the app's lifetime.goOffline()(offline only makes the loss observable; the local eventis equally absent online, masked by server echo).
ref(L).child("x_new").updateChildren({"v": 1}).child_addedforx_new. Actual: nothing untilreconnect (server echo).
ref(L).child("x_new2").setValue(1)→ fires;attaching an unfiltered listener at
L, letting it sync, then repeatingstep 4 → fires (the cache-lineage flip).
Evidence from our app (verbose native logging)
Deaf (bounded-only location):
Identical state,
setValueat the child:Environment / impact
identical; native SDK behavior), Android 14/15; reproduced on macOS via the
iOS SDK.
updateChildrenunder boundedorderByKeylisteners; during venue Wi-Fioutages (events still arriving over BLE) the operator display froze
entirely while data was written and synced correctly — discovered only
after a two-month-old release because server echo masks the loss whenever
online.
setValue()at the child. Also effective:maintaining any
loadsAllDatalistener at the location (with its cost).Ask
Either raise the event when the filter can decide membership without the old
value (key-indexed case at minimum), or fail loudly / document prominently
that
updateChildrenunder exclusively-filtered listeners does not raiselocal events.